MD: Uh, you used to go to the desert with Jim I think? But I don't remember going to the desert with Jim. I do remember-- I'm trying to remember when did I meet Jim?

MD: No, no. Maybe it was here. Yeah, I certainly had met him, and probably it was here because he was at, he would come to Salk every once in a while, there would be meetings and I'm sure Jim was at lots of these early meetings at Salk. So that's probably when I first met Jim. But I had heard so much about Jim from Renato, about their Bloomington days, and so on. And your, didn't you drive once with Jim to Oak Ridge for some meeting there?

RD: I don't even remember.

MD: I just remembered that you told me once about some trip. I'm sure you, you and Jim and Louie had decided to drive from Bloomington to Oak Ridge?

Renato Dulbecco was born in Catanzaro,Italy, in 1914. He studied medicine in Turin before joining the Italian Resistance movement against Benito Mussolini during theSecond Wold War.

After the war Dulbecco emigrated to the United States and worked with Salvador Luria at the University of Indiana before moving on to the University of California.

Won the Albert Lasker Basic Medical Research Award in 1964.

Won the 1975 Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology with David Baltimore and Howard Temin "for their discoveries concerning the interaction between tumor viruses and the genetic material of the cell".